Derelict London Pubs - South East London my son
East Croydon CR0 - Lesley Arms
The Lesley Arms was originally built by Croydon Brewers' Nalder & Colyer to be their show-piece pub
(their brewery tap in Surrey Street, Croydon being unsuitable for this treatment). The pub was listed
by English Heritage recently although only the outside is protected, the interior having been destroyed
many years ago.Recent works undertaken presumably to prevent complete collapse of the building.
Croydon Council have granted permission to turn the building into flats and/or some sort of hostel.
Bermondsey SE16 - The Barnaby
Originally called the Canterbury Tavern.
Before and after every home match the pub has long been rammed with Millwall fans,
whether it be to drown their sorrows or raise a glass to three points.Now its destined to become flats.
The landlady of The Barnaby, for 10 years called the decision to close the pub "a real blow for the
community, Millwall fans from all over have always come here on match days. Now there is not
really anywhere for them to go," she added. "The nearest pub they could go to is a good half hour
walk to the ground. They used to leave here at 2.45pm and be in the Den for kick-off at 3pm. "There
is always such a great atmosphere here. Everyone is friendly. It is a family pub really."
Pete recalls this pub in the 1970's: "This is about as Old London as you can get, and was even more
so back in 1978. The pub was heaving that Friday night, and you didn't see many black faces. Well,
you didn't see any black faces, or Arab faces, or, indeed, any faces other than the eponymous "faces"
of the manor (yes, they spoke like that round there). Millwall supporters to a man (not many women to
be seen, either), this was the heart of National Front territory in those days"
Charlton SE17 (The Victoria)
Front, inside and back of The Victoria
Jane Grant writes "I did indeed drink in there regularly with my husband and two friends in the mid-late 1990s.
The landlord was permanently drunk and the wrong side of the bar, he did bent MOTs and sold dodgy cars.
He had two classic vanguards, with original paperwork, but dodgy VIN numbers and for our sins, we
obtained an old capri from him complete with dodgy MOT. He was a classic of his kind and the destruction
of the old building will take a magnitude of memories with it. The whole pub sloped downwards, but it appeared
better the more you drank!"
Matt Helm writes "I had one scary night down in Charlton/Woolwich one night where we were locked in one of the
pubs at around 1:30am until the bloke outside with a grudge & sawn off shotgun sobered up and went home (can't
remember if it was The Victoria or The Thames Barrier Arms)! "
Greenwich SE10 (The Rose of Denmark)
I found an article in the Epping Forest Guardian which had a negative opinion of the Rose of Denmark!
"The atmosphere inside the pub was one of ice-cold indifference. Various lone old men sat about with
looks on their faces like the world was about to end. Decor-wise, things are looking really knackered.
But the real killer is the service. the toneof the barmaid's verbal assault was similar to one employed
by a mother chastising a misbehaving toddler."
UPDATE! Currently being refurbished - maybe as a pub!
Woolwich SE18 (Mancinis aka The Gatehouse)
May 2007- Being converted into apartments. Originally built as quarters for Woolwich Dockyard officers and later
used the police in 1778-84. Ian Pennington recalls visiting it 10 years ago: " one of the group of us ordering some food,
pie and chips probably, receiving it, then splashing some vinegar from a bottle on the table over it........the vinegar seemed
to have dead fleas or creepy crawlies of some sort in it. And of course my mate only noticed this after he'd covered
his chips with it." The pub ended its days as a gay haunt apparently.
Camberwell SE5 - The Old Dispensary
A bit more upmarket than most of the local alternatives. CamberwellOnline Blog in 2004 wrote
"Coupled with the slightly high bar price and the feeling of luxury, it’s obvious that this place is aimed at
Camberwell’s more affluent residents. Thing is, I’m not sure there is a big market for that. I guess we’ll
find out." Well we have found out as its been boarded up for the last few months.....
Plumstead SE18 - The Ship
Russell writes:" The Ship in Plumstead Common reopened for a short time in the late 1990s as the Commoner's Rest, but closed
shortly afterwards. It only lasted a few months when it reopened as the Ship once more in about 2000. I remember it as a pub which
had the worst reputation for fights in the Plumstead Common area. It also had a stage for live acts but I don't remember seeing any there."
Deborah writes: I can remember The Ship being a real punk hang out back in the day and they did
have live bands on there in the early 80's"
Fizzy Panther writes: Rough old place at times, one of the owners, I think his name was Jerry/Gerry was stabbed by a local
resident one night, and the band carried on playing!!!!! They did indeed have live bands - 'The Boys', 'Mick and Kiwi', 'Yakety Yak'
played here on a regular basis and they also had Karaoke, Discos and regularly held Hen and Stag nights there. They also had a
talent contest in conjunction with a local newspaper - ran on for weeks - Plumstead's version of X-Factor but the prize was far less
glamorous and generous.
A couple called Vince and Eileen ran it for a time and then two guys from Bermondsey (Tony and Gregg I think their names were)
ran it with a manager called 'Boots'. They had bouncers on the doors to try and filter out the troublemakers but you all know what
booze (and yes, drugs) can do to perfectly rational adults on occasion! They had a late licence, if I remember correctly the bar
used to stayed open until midnight on a Thursday, Friday and Saturday night - very rare in the 80s and early 90s! They also had
live female strippers on a Sunday lunchtime, surprisingly it was always busy then!!!!
The pub closed for a long while due to a series of drugs raids by our boys in blue from Plumstead Nick, and a cute little sniffer dog,
I remember it well!!! It had for some years had a reputation as a well known drugs and trouble pub, but it was also one of the
liveliest pubs in the area at the time, you can't have your cake and eat it too!!!"
Deptford SE8 (The Thames)
An old engraving on the roof reads "The Rose & Crown"
Mark Goodwin writes: "The Thames was owned by an old bloke called Dennis who also owns The Hoy just round the
corner with this son who now runs it. He thought he would sell up why the going was good, I noticed literally all the
buildings surrounding The Thames are demolished but the pub still stands s I think its Grade II listed. They also used
to have strippers in there at lunchtimes many a year ago. Apparently Waitrose are moving in on or around this site."
Tom writes: "I grew up in the rose and crown Deptford now called the thames. My dad ran it for about 10 years. I have
tried to find out several times who wns the deads for the property but to no avail. 5 years ago I would have bought it
but now seems like a lost cause. Used to be a great pub in the 80’s. "
Charlton SE17 - Thames Barrier Arms
Previously called The Lads of The Village.Now a vets! The sign on the corner says "Roebuck Arms" but Bev Smith explains that
the pub was used in filming for an episode of the TV series "Londons Burning". So, the sign is just an abandoned prop......
Slade Green DA8 (The Railway Tavern)
Slade Green was at on time one of the biggest and busiest railway depots in Britain, and at one time teeming with steam trains
being shunted here and there. The Railway Tavern was obviously then a thriving public House. Southwark Coucil had intentions
to develop it as a hostel for asylum seekers, but Bexley Council objected and it never happened.
Woolwich SE18 (The Star)
The Star in Woolwich used to have strippers and was a great place for underage drinkers...
Vic Merson writes: "I remember attending a St Johns Ambulance function upstairs. It was full of medical bores, so my mate and I left early
removing half the contents of the fusebox on the way out plunging them into semi-darkness......."
Woolwich SE18 (Dockers Bar)
The Dockers Bar was only called that for a fateful few weeks while it was open.originally called the Lord Howick and later
renamed The Million Hare, and it was said that it was the only pub in Woolwich that you wiped your feet before you left.
"A truly dreadful place to drink in." Now reopened as The Pitch and Pint.
update - Another name change to Clancys!
Vauxhall SE11 (The Elephant & Castle)
I remember seeing this pub from the train everytime I travelled to London as a youngster misguided thinking this was the
area called Elephant & Castle. Now converted into a Starbucks - see Derelict London book for "then & now pics"!
Carole James writes: "In 1974 as a very sheltered 19 year old girl from a small rural town in New Zealand, never having been in any
hotel before in my life, I was taken to the Elephant and Castle one night quite late. We went in the door only to flounder around in a large
piece of black cloth which was apparently the blackout curtain from the war days, it was on a semi circle of pipe and was a trap to the
uninitiated. Once inside I thought I was in some kind of time warp. It was like an episode of some historic British programme except it
was real. Heavily pungent with workers underarm smell, and misty with cigarette smoke, lighting which seemed to come from only a
handful of low wattage light bulbs in various elderly forms of light fittings, a bar which was as robust looking as the rock of Gibralter,
and for which I was almost too little, people who were clearly on "their territory" and wondering who the hell you were, a couple of dogs
on the floor (dogs? in a public house?) and a lady who you could charitably say had seen better times and on perhaps the fifth too many
port and lemons, warbling away to an out of tune upright piano. Her hair had been dyed a sort of straw yellow but an inch either side of
her parting had reverted to iron grey and white, I remember the pub being busy, warm, smelly from sweaty under arm people if you were
close to them, smoky, poorish people in monetary terms but not in spirit or spirits! it has remained indelibly engraved on my mind most
probably because it was the first pub I had ever gone into. It was also one where I couldnt understand most of the English being spoken
around me because it wasnt in a New Zealand (English) accent. I kept expecting to hear an air raid siren. I remember coming back
outside into the black night and having the cleaner cold air hit my face, having to walk past brick buildings with windows which had
pieces of corrugated iron over them and wondering if I would ever safely get back to the Hotel in "town". But I still hold that pub very
fondly in my mind."
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Purley CR2 (The Propellor)
Rob Buxton writes: "I grew up in Croydon and as a child in the early 70s I always enjoyed driving past the
Propeller with my parents. The Propeller is on the same road as a building I knew as Imperial House – a grand
building which was once the terminal building for the old Croydon Airport. I remember the Propeller being a
well maintained pub (from the outside), but the main attraction for me was a huge propeller mounted on top of
a tall post outside the pub and which acted as the pub sign. My dad used to tell me that the propeller was from a
Spitfire that flew during the war; a story I believed for years. It saddens me to see the Propeller in such a sorry state."
Catford Bromley Rd SE6 (The Green Man)
Maze Hill SE10 (The Victoria) est 1886
Was known locally as the "wooden house" many years ago, (known as the wooden house after theLuftwaffe blew
the back end of the pub off with a doodle bug in the 2nd world war and it was lashed up with timber to keep it
running). Now Demolished (Autumn 2006)
Rob Day writes: "Back in 1977 "The Vic" was the only pub in Greenwich where a 15-year-old male with spiky bleached
hair and an earring could get served and not get his head kicked in, and the only pub in South London with a jukebox
crammed with singles by then little-known punk acts like the Clash, Pistols, Stranglers, ATV, etc etc. The right hand bar
was run by a guy called Harry who stocked the jukebox, and populated entirelyby underage drinkers (apart from Harry)
sporting the latest Oxfam-couture. The left hand bar was run by a proper old school landlord who looked exactly like
Mike Reid and was usually empty, but was beautifully fitted out with the original circular bar and a stained glass skylight
at the back - not that I gave a shit at the time. Celebs in attendance at that time included members of Squeeze (including
Jools Holland),Dire Straits and many other local bands who have quite rightly sunk without trace: Corduroy; Doctor
and the Medics; Simon and the Virgins; the list goes on..."
Harry Rogers writes: (The Harry mentioned above): "The item on your site which refers to my bar (Harry's Bar) was not
actually at the Queen Victoria .Harry's Bar was actually in the next pub along called The Bricklayers Arms which has since
been gutted and renamed twice though I don'tknow what it was called. As for the clientele yes on certain nights the customers
were quite young but on others they ranged from 16 to 60 and some great nights were had by all. To read more about the
bar go to http://www.packetofthree.com where an interview with me will shortly be published."
You can read Harry's blog here: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog&friendID=79998443
Woolwich SE18 (Crown & Cushion)
The pub has recently been repainted allover white and received a wrap round advert for the Woolwich Arsenal development.
There is a longstanding dispute with the council, who want to demolish the building, and local residents who want it saved as
a reminder of the old Woolwich which has almost been obliterated.
Andrea Thorne writes: My husband and I used to be Managers/Landlords of the Crown & Cushion 1965-1967. We were the youngest
publicans in London . Both of us being 20 years of age when we took over. It’s sad to see it in such a bad shape.
I was back in the UK about 10 years ago and made a trip to the pub it hadn’t changed much.My daughter was born in the local hospital
and spent her first year there in the flat above. I remember her getting very sooty from the power station smoke when I put her out in the
back yard. We now live in the USA."
Deborah remembers this pub as a skinhead haunt in the early 80's.
Bev writes in Summer 2008: "Seems like the developers got their way. This pub in now in the process of demolition,
and as of yesterday, there wasnt a lot of it left (along with the rest of "old" Woolwich). Regeneration??? More like weapons
of mass destruction!"
Lee SE12 (The Royal Oak)
Matt writes: "That was a great place to go for a drink at 1am, loads of young studenty types and a tiny back
garden/window box that smelt of damp and skunk."
Bellingham SE6 (Tigers Head)
An unusual closure of a JD Wetherspoon pub. I stumbled on a very uncomplimentary comment on the clientele:
"Older chavs will visit the Tigers Head pub where every day of the week you can enjoy a couple of fights, a police raid,
numerous flashes of boob (it is the only way the poor cows know how to pull a man and the only kind of signal the male
chav will respond to) and don't forget a kebab for the journey home."
Bromley (The Greyhound)
Nunhead SE15 (Railway Tavern)
The building has been demolished - just the sign remains
Plumstead SE18 (Rose and Crown)
Eltham Common SE3 (The Welcome Inn)
A local family "Harvester" restaurant/bar, It suffered a fire in approx 2006 and was internally completely gutted.
Elephant & Castle SE1 (Bar Uptown)
Reopened as The Ministry of Salsa but now the entire block has been demolished as part of the Elephant's
regeneration
Tower Bridge SE1 (Raven at the Tower)
Just a few minutes walk from one of the world's most famous tourist icons: Tower Bridge
Any places you think should be on this site? Let me know!
Also info (however trivial) or stories/personal memories on any of the buildings would
be appreciated.
Bermondsey SE16 (Earl of Beaconsfield)
J Flood writes: this pub used to be my grandfathers during the 2nd world war. My father used to take me there on
a no. 70 tram.. I remember playing on the flat roof watching the southern railway trains go by.. I used to enjoy
visiting my granddad as I used to be given all the used metal beer bottle tops (different colours) which as kids
we stuck to our clothes like medals I do remember the pub was popular with the dockers and although the pub
received a couple of incendiary bombs during the big german raid on the surrey docks remained open .
although I understand my dad tried to persuade my grandad to leave because of the risk so close to the docks
but evidently stayed to give the dockers their beer. At least that is the story I grew up with..i also remember a
pianola in the bar and pictures of my grandad on the walls I suppose all gone now…"
Deptford SE8 (Princess of Wales)
MD69 writes:"This pub used to belong to my grandparents, and they were the last owners before selling it to developers
a few years ago.The pub was haunted according to members of the family by a Victorian child (although I never saw
the alleged spirit myself) and has beenused in various TV productions, such as Hale and Pace and The Bill. It was a
traditional family pub in design, over 4 floors with 6 bedrooms and 3 bathrooms, and was family run until it's closure."
West Norwood SE27 - Jack Stamps
Previously called The Thurlow Arms and used as a gig venue in the 1980's for small up and coming bands The Thompson Twins
played here in 1981 before going on to have several UK hits.In the Jack the Ripper investigation in 1888 there is a passing mention
of this pub: "One man was arrested last night at coffee shop opposite the Thurlow Arms public-house, at West Norwood. Suspicion
appears to have been excited by his face being much scratched, and by marks, apparently, of blood upon his clothes."
Many a funeral wake was held here due to the close proximity to West Norwood Cemetery. The front of the pub accomodated a flower
stall for a few years after the pub closed but in 2008 the building has been converted into a Tesco supermarket.
Bermondsey SE16 - Manor Tavern
Stephen writes: The pub was between a small nature reserve and Galleywall Primary School . I was involved in trying
to maintain the nature reserve for a period in 2004/05. On checking out the nature reserve, which was semi-derelict, I realised
part of the pub wall had fallen into the nature reserve. I went around to the pub and spoke to the landlord; he took me into
the pub yard, which had a very large dog and numerous dog turds. I looked at the stump of the collapsed wall and propped
against it were a number of scaffolding poles that seemed to be holding up part of the side and back of the pub, which had
a big crack in it. Because we wanted to try to make the reserve work and get children involved, I spoke to a building
inspector who visited the pub with me, and he told the landlord that the side of the building was dangerous and needed
to be repaired. Within a couple of weeks of this the pub had been burned. Galleywall School has closed and I understand
the area is due for development."
London Bridge SE1 - The Antigallican
Surrounded by mass redevelopment in Tooley St
The name harks back to the days when sailors returned from Trafalgar.
Old Kent Road SE16 - Thomas A Beckett
This was one of South London's most famous pubs as it had a boxing gym upstairs frequented by all the top names
in British boxing such as Henry Cooper. I also remember going to see punk bands play in the downstairs bar on a Sunday
evening in the late 80's
London Bridge SE1 - St Johns Tavern
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Camberwell SE5 - William The Fourth
A derelict pub has undergone an unusual transformation by a local arts project
and covered in white camoflage material. The stuff used by the army when fighting in snow covered areas.
Bermondsey SE16 - Gloucester Arms
Addiscombe CR0 - The Black Horse
I got to this pub a few weeks too late....
Joanne writes: "I worked just at the back of the pub in the Co-op car park (of all places) and spent many
a happy lunchtime in there or in their beer garden ! The day I remember most was 9/11 ! My mate and I
had had a particularly bad morning at work (for some reason everyone was in a mood that morning), and
it came over the radio what had happened and tbh it didn't really register until we got back to the office
and tried to access the news sites ! the rest, tragically is history. While I'm not old enough to really
remember where I was when JFK was shot, I'll always remember where I was when I heard about
the one event that imho has brought about the biggest (not necessarily the best) changes the world
has seen in the last 50 years."
Martin writes: In 1970 I worked for a week at the Black Horse in Addiscombe. The saloon bar customers
were pleasant, and the public bar seemed mostly have been to prison and were very unpleasant. I find
this interesting as I spent a lot of time in later years representing such people who were nice as pie.
Shows you don't see the real person till you serve them drinks. The owners were pretty ghastly too.
I left because the place was so unpleasant. Beer was 1s and 8 pence a pint."
Beckenham BR3 - The Clock House courtesy of Ian Muir
It has now been demolished to make way for flats.The pub was onlybuilt in the middle 60s.
The ground lay derelict after the original pub on that site called The King Arthur blown up by
a flying bomb during the war killing over 40 people, many bodies were not found.
www.beckenhamhistory.com
East Greenwich SE10 - Duke of Wellington
pic courtesy of Jess
West Croydon - The Half Moon
Justin writes: Having lived in Croydon most of my life this pub was a no go when i was younger. A while back the
landlord/owner put some money in the place and done a real good job of attracting a more broader crowd. My
then girlfriend (now my wife),who lived near the pub, had a few good nights there.Sadly this was short lived as
the pub was located in an area which has a very negative stigma for many reasons and closed down and was
vandalised within days which just compounds this stigma.
Greenwich SE10 (Millers)
Gareth writes: I remember Millers well from the mid 80’s when a group of us who worked in Lewisham at a
company called Fisher Controls (now also long gone there’s a Tesco there!) regularly drank on Saturday nights
in particular. There was loud music and at the time I think we mistakenly believed it was a great place to pick
up girls. Still I have some happy memories of the place.If I remember rightly the old Merryweather fire engine
factory was very close (but that had closed by then).
Richard writes: Used to drink in the Millers regular most Thursdays around 93/94, always a good laugh, but my
main recollection is of the DJ ALWAYS playing Nina Simones, My Baby Just Cares For Me at chucking out time!
South Norwood SE25 - The Greyhound Tavern
pic courtesy of Pete McGill
Bermondsey SE16 - The Red Cow pic courtesy of Suzi Bassett
Pat writes: I used to DJ in the Red Cow from about 1973 through to 1981. My younger brother Dj'd at the Barnaby.
Two great pubs in their time, now they and others like then have gone, the soul is slowly going out of the place.
The owner George Cottle ruled the place and we never saw any trouble there, A place for great barmaids too.
One New Years day I started playing at 12.00, and finished that night at 11.00, the same crowd stayed for the
whole session. The DJ "box" there was like sauna in the summer, but the never ending stream of pints that
followed playing requests made it worth it. Loved it there, roast potatoes and cheese on Sunday lunchtimes"
Woolwich SE18 (Princess of Wales)
Vauxhall SE11 - The George and Dragon
Set in the middle of a housing estate this was the only pub in London to have its own swimming pool!
Peckham SE15 - Pharoahs
Previously known as “The Walmer Castle Public House” until re-opening after temporary closure for refurbishments in 2002.
In Victorian times, the Old Bailey archives record a case at this pub where a counterfeit shilling was tendered by a customer who
got sentenced to 15 months hard labour as a result.
The pub was run in the 1980's by Chris Finnegan a British Olympic boxing champion. Someone writes to Derelict London: "In the
80's I remember a couple of Chelsea and West Wam footballers fighting a man over a girl in here one evening".
Infamous skinhead/Oi! band The Last Resort played a gig here in the early 80's.
In late 2002 a double shooting incident occurred at the premises and various rumours of criminal activity and late night clubs followed.
A fire was the final straw......
Oval SE11 - The Surrey Tavern
New Cross SE14 - Duke of Albany
This pub was used In the film Shaun of The Dead and known in the film as The Winchester Arms.
Peckham SE15 - Bricklayers Arms
Maze Hill SE10 - The Old Friends
I popped in here for a pint one afternoon and didnt hang around too long. A few Charlton fans were bragging about a preplanned
ruck they had with Southampton fans at Maze Hill Station.This was quite high profile press coverage on this fight at the time.
Perhaps they were bluffing but I didnt fancy cross examining them.....
A review on the net describes the place as a "Dire, chipboard pub for horrible old people and a dwindling number of punters from
the estate behind. Chalk sign put up for St George's Day: "England, love it or leave it." If the Old Friends is England, I'm off."
South Bermondsey SE16 - The Golden Lion
Another Millwall fans pub recently closed
Walworth SE17 - The Kings Head
Bermondsey SE16 - The New Concorde
Quite a lunchtime haunt for students of the adjacent Southwark College. Ive been informed on
good authority that the Gallagher Brothers were seen drinking in there in the mid 90's though I cant
think what would draw Oasis to the back streets of Bermondsey.
Walworth SE17 - The Stroke of Luck
Oval SE11 - The Rising Sun
Oval SE11 - The Cricketers
A great "toilet/transit van" circuit pub for bans in the 80's and 90's. Great venue. I remember seeing Dave Vanian
from The Damned chatting to fans outside on the pavement before playing a gig with his other band The Phantom
Chords. I will have to dig out my old snaps of this!
Sydenham SE26 - The Greyhound
Sydenham SE26 - Regency Club
Woolwich SE18 - The Woolwich Infant
From the road this pub looked defunct but upon closer inspection was actually open. Inside isnt much better either.
I was in a hurry anyway so didnt have time to stop for a drink....Had a ferry to catch!
someone recently wrote to me about this pub:
'The Woolwich Infant' is still a live Pub. I know it does not look like much from the outside, but it is still a very popular Pub
with the local Gay and Lesbian Community. It is owned and managed by a Lesbian couple.
and then it had a makeover:
Oh no its closed down again: (Nov 2006)
2008 and its a cheque converter shop!
Here's some pics taken by Steven White:
Sydenham SE26 - Sir Ernest Shackelton
Walworth SE17 - Archduke Charles
Kennington SE11 - Court Tavern
Peckham SE15 - Queen Elizabeth
Walworth SE17- Prince & Princess of Wales
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